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Dialecticus Exiguus's avatar

«Once you accept that [Wigner] cherry-picks, the argument becomes more properly represented as saying that mathematics is unreasonably effective at describing the things that we have found it to be effective at describing.»—I wonder. Yes, Wigner does cherry-pick, but it's hard to cherry-pick his main example (i.e. fundamental physics). And he was writing in a time when we seemed to be approaching a Theory of Everything, and when the main components of that theory were suffice to say *extraordinarily beautiful*. Now, I don't think Wigner's address would be quite so convincing in a 21st-century context of stagnant physics and numerically-analyzed natural sciences, but if one puts that aside for the moment to consider the astonishing elegance of special relativity, general relativity, and quantum mechanics his argument makes a bit more sense, I think.

Arnaldo Mandel's avatar

I am still processing your definition; compared with all other attempts to defining Math I've seen, this seems the best one. Also, very powerful for being very short. Of course there may be pitfalls , and philosophers may have a field day attacking it. Still, quite satisfying for a working mathematician.

On the other hand, Mathematics creates its own contexts. I have lost count of the situations in which the presentation of a definition of an abstract structure is followed by "concrete examples" which may be an infinite dimensional Banach algebra, a skew field with positive characteristic, the circuit space of a planar graph. All of these feel very concrete but from the outside the use of the adjective sounds almost ludicrous.

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