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Dialecticus Exiguus's avatar

«Once you accept that [Wigner] cherry-picks, the argument becomes more properly represented as saying that mathematics is unreasonably effective at describing the things that we have found it to be effective at describing.»—I wonder. Yes, Wigner does cherry-pick, but it's hard to cherry-pick his main example (i.e. fundamental physics). And he was writing in a time when we seemed to be approaching a Theory of Everything, and when the main components of that theory were suffice to say *extraordinarily beautiful*. Now, I don't think Wigner's address would be quite so convincing in a 21st-century context of stagnant physics and numerically-analyzed natural sciences, but if one puts that aside for the moment to consider the astonishing elegance of special relativity, general relativity, and quantum mechanics his argument makes a bit more sense, I think.

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Excellent article. I think your definition of math is spot-on, as well as the explanation for why the "unreasonable effectiveness" isn't unreasonable. I was always baffled by the unreasonable effectiveness stuff because my immediate response was, "What do you mean? You can describe *any* system with math. You can define whatever mathematical structures you want to match the structure of the system." I think maybe what people actually mean is that they're surprised that many real-world systems can be described by mathematical structures simple enough that we can actually use them effectively to figure out what the systems will do. But then talking about math is a red herring - the question is just why these systems are simple enough to be intelligible. And even then, there's a fairly simple explanation from a combination of cherry-picking, the fact that systems actually are complicated but our models simplify them deliberately, and the fact that we evolved to be smart enough to comprehend a wide variety of real-world systems through abstraction.

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